# New all metal hot ends. **URL:** \ **Category:** 3d Printing / Slicers / Setup / Problems\ **Created:** [November 13, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756 "2020-11-13T11:42:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/1 "2020-11-13T11:42:51Z")
As the 3d printing technology evolves, why FFF should stay behind? Searching for 3d Printing accessories to order, i came accross to those two: [Phaetus Dragonfly hot-end BMS | 3D Prima - 3D-Printers and filaments](https://www.3dprima.com/parts/phaetus/phaetus-dragonfly-hot-end-bms/a-25669/) and [Phaetus Dragonfly hot-end BMO | 3D Prima - 3D-Printers and filaments](https://www.3dprima.com/parts/phaetus/phaetus-dragonfly-hot-end-bmo/a-25668/). High temperatures up to 500 [SUP]o[/SUP]C and other interesting features. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/2 "2020-11-13T15:23:46Z")
That is interesting. I haven’t upgraded my hotend yet, and these ones do have some interesting features. I’m not sure what you mean by “FFF should stay behind”. ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/3 "2020-11-13T15:47:11Z")
> [@Ender5r](#): > > That is interesting. I haven’t upgraded my hotend yet, and these ones do have some interesting features. I’m not sure what you mean by “FFF should stay behind”. Yes right, i mean to stay unevolved. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/4 "2020-11-13T17:21:37Z")
If I understand, what you mean to say is FFF needs to keep advancing, keep developing, keep innovating. I totally agree. I think the next big leap is curvilinear printing, where the nozzle moves up & down to follow vertical curves of the model. ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/5 "2020-11-13T20:09:07Z")
This is exactly what i mean! Curvilinear is tend to turn 3d printing from 2,5D to fully 3D with XY and Z axis moving simultaneously. After this, should involve other two axis A and B or C to deposit filament in five axis. Quite easy to do but i really don’t know if someone will provide it as a cheap kit and which brand will create a specific slicer … ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/6 "2020-11-13T20:22:28Z")
One relatively inexpensive advancement just happened. It’s a printer that has a converyor belt for its print bed. It comes from Creality: [http://creality.com](http://creality.com) [ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:“none”,“data-size”:“custom”,“height”:“418”,“width”:“633”,“data-attachmentid”:5989}[/ATTACH] ![Capture.JPG](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/makewithtech/original/1X/38d958e56668892dcb7ecdbb7a4e2446eda9bfad.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/7 "2020-11-13T20:40:50Z")
This is a cloned BLACKBELT! ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/8 "2020-11-13T20:50:59Z")
I never heard of Blackbelt printers. Just looked them up. The Creality is quite similar. 'Course, there is 1 major difference: the price. [ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:“none”,“data-size”:“custom”,“height”:“345”,“width”:“495”,“data-attachmentid”:5992}[/ATTACH] ![Capture.JPG](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/makewithtech/original/1X/171b536c3629234dff3e0399336307c3ea353f0c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![roon4660](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/roon4660/32/35_2.png) [@roon4660](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/roon4660)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/9 "2020-11-13T22:45:30Z")
That is a bit of a price difference. I think I saw the prototype of this technology on 3d printing nerd at one of the shows he followed. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/10 "2020-11-13T22:47:22Z")
Yeah, I would say 9,000 Euros is a bit of a difference 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/11 "2020-11-13T23:01:22Z")
Such a price is totally forbidden!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/12 "2020-11-13T23:03:52Z")
Rotflmao [size=24px]???[/size] ---
**Author:** ![roon4660](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/roon4660/32/35_2.png) [@roon4660](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/roon4660)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/13 "2020-11-13T23:41:41Z")
I think the difference in price would have me (cheapskate that I am by necessity) look at the cheaper one first and then go see what the expensive one has to offer. I know this idea came from an American that was interviewed by Joel of 3d Printing Nerd two times if I remember properly. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/14 "2020-11-14T00:02:57Z")
Found another one: [https://powerbelt3d.com/product/powerbelt3d-zero-conveyor-belt-3d-printer-kit/](https://powerbelt3d.com/product/powerbelt3d-zero-conveyor-belt-3d-printer-kit/). I sense this is going to become a big thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/15 "2020-11-14T00:17:17Z")
And a YT video of a really big one: [U][3D Printing With an UNLIMITED Z! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6SrN2qW1Hw%5B/U%5D). Here’s the Creality unit in action: [U][Unboxing the Creality CR-30 - Naomi Wu's #3DPrintMill BELT PRINTER! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMHlFN74qkw%5B/U%5D) ---
**Author:** ![roon4660](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/roon4660/32/35_2.png) [@roon4660](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/roon4660)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/16 "2020-11-14T00:24:31Z")
You found it in record time my dear Ender5r. You win a kewpie doll whenever I get around yo printing you one. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/17 "2020-11-14T00:28:55Z")
And yet another one, again: [U][- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1qXGFUEkXo%5B/U%5D) ---
**Author:** ![roon4660](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/roon4660/32/35_2.png) [@roon4660](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/roon4660)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/18 "2020-11-14T00:36:39Z")
I’m just wondering how you found this one in German. I can count to ten in a very bad German accent. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/19 "2020-11-14T00:37:35Z")
It’s on YT. I just searched for 3D belt printer. ---
**Author:** ![roon4660](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/roon4660/32/35_2.png) [@roon4660](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/roon4660)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756/20 "2020-11-14T00:39:18Z")
You are getting old and sneaky just like me. [Next page](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/new-all-metal-hot-ends/2756.md?page=2)