# Ender 5 Dual Z Axis Stepper Tutorial? **URL:** \ **Category:** 3d Printing / Slicers / Setup / Problems\ **Created:** [October 28, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715 "2020-10-28T20:31:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/1 "2020-10-28T20:31:06Z")
I looked on YT for a tutorial on how to mod my Ender 5 into a dual z axis version. I found nothing about it… literally nothing. To be honest, I was shocked. I do know there are at least a couple of items on thingiverse about it, but that’s not a tutorial AFAIC. Does anyone have any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Geit](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/geit/32/44_2.png) [@Geit](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Geit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/2 "2020-10-28T20:55:38Z")
I guess it is just printing the parts and mount them. That is what I did with my TronXY back then, as there were no videos as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/3 "2020-10-28T22:35:26Z")
> [@Geit](#): > > I guess it is just printing the parts and mount them. That is what I did with my TronXY back then, as there were no videos as well. I’m beginning to see that. This begs for a YT tutorial. I found this one wherein a lot of the parts are printed: [U][https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3784970[/U]](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3784970%5B/U%5D) And this one, which is version 2 of the 1st one, wherein the entire printbed is rotated 90 degrees, so the 2 Z axes are on the sides: [U][https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4098102[/U]](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4098102%5B/U%5D) This one uses the single motor, much like @Geit did: [U][https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3999933[/U]](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3999933%5B/U%5D) And the one I like the most, except for his placing the extra Z axis inside the frame, thus reducing the Y axis volume. From the description he is planning to fix this: [U][https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4079052[/U]](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4079052%5B/U%5D). ---
**Author:** ![Geit](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/geit/32/44_2.png) [@Geit](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Geit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/4 "2020-10-28T23:34:02Z")
The bulky red one looks impractical and eats additional space. If that is a 220x220 bed you definitely don´t need a second Nema to drive it. This one: > **[Ender 5 Dual Z Achsen support (mit sync Riemen) by Hangoar](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3999933)** > > Dual Z axis support mod für den Ender 5. Option mit sync Riemen und Riemenspanner > anhand den Maßen von der PDF habe ich ein Plattenmodell erstellt. > I wanted to avoid drilling any holes and moving the electronic box towards the center or at the back.... is indeed kind of like my conversion. I just needed more parts to print as the rods and lead screw is on top of the bottom frame. I would have preferred a solution like this, but I was unable to fix it using CAD at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/5 "2020-10-29T00:17:05Z")
I think the big red one would work a little better if the bed was rotated 90 counter-clockwise, so the red printed parts are behind the LCD panel. ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/6 "2020-10-29T09:32:15Z")
Does your controller board offer double Z connectors? ---
**Author:** ![Vassili\_Finellis](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/vassili_finellis/32/12_2.png) [@Vassili\_Finellis](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Vassili_Finellis)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/7 "2020-10-29T09:34:39Z")
If the answer is NO, then there is an easy way to add a second Z stepper on it by adding a small PCB. Search for this one [https://grobotronics.com/double-z-ax…rs-module.html](https://grobotronics.com/double-z-axis-motors-module.html) The mechanics are easy to mod. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/8 "2020-10-29T14:54:23Z")
Interesting. I’m using the OEM 1.1.5 Creality board so, no, it doesn’t have 2 Z stepper drivers. That said, I haven’t made up my mind whether I want to just rewire to use 1 stepper driver to drive 2 stepper motors, or to change out the controller for 1 that has 2 Z drivers. I may even do both, starting with rewiring, then moving on to a controller upgrade at a later point. I had actually considered making a board like the 1 you linked to. For that price, though, I would likely just order it. I’m still open to just hardwiring the Y cable. Another wrinkle I’m considering is to put some taller feet on the bottom of the printer, so a regular NEMA 17 stepper (like the ones used for the X & Y axes and extruder) could fit on the Z axis. I would then move the current Z axis stepper motor to the direct drive on the hotend. This would put a more powerful motor on the Z axis and a lighter one on the hotend. ---
**Author:** ![Geit](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/geit/32/44_2.png) [@Geit](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Geit)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/9 "2020-10-30T00:29:10Z")
Yeah, the SKR boards have the same feature already onboard. Instead of building your own Y-cable or using an external PCB like the one above, you have two connectors on the boards, which are connected to a single driver. It is just required to give the driver more power to work with. . ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/10 "2020-10-30T00:33:32Z")
> [@Geit](#): > > Yeah, the SKR boards have the same feature already onboard. Instead of building your own Y-cable or using an external PCB like the one above, you have two connectors on the boards, which are connected to a single driver. It is just required to give the driver more power to work with. > > . I’ve looked at some of the SKR boards. I found ones with 3, 4, 5, & 6 stepper driver sockets (not the sockets where the cable that goes to the motor plugs in; the sockets the drivers plug into). The 6 socket model was somewhere around $100. I’ve wondered if that might be a good option for futureproofing. ---
**Author:** ![Geit](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/geit/32/44_2.png) [@Geit](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Geit)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/11 "2020-10-30T00:44:08Z")
I have the six socket pro model. If you order these boards in china they are far cheaper. I ordered my SKR Pro on Amazon making sure it is a shop, where the stuff was already in germany. This gave the price a little bump up, but I don´t have any issues with taxes and potential warranty issues. I think I payed 75Euro incl. four TMC2209 drivers. You probably won´t need a Pro board anyway. The GeitPrinter was designed for three tool heads, so the Pro was the only option. The cheaper SKR 1.3 are fine and available for about 15-18 Euro directly from china. You probably won´t need the third extruder and the slightly faster cpu of the PRO board. In fact the Pro version has some caveats, as there wasn´t enough space on the board for all jumpers available on the SKR 1.3 boards, so to use sensorless homing you need to cut/bend pins from your TMC stepsticks to enable the feature, while on the boards with less drivers you just need to set/unset a jumper. The Pro version also has no eeprom. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/12 "2020-10-30T00:52:49Z")
No EEPROM? That’s a surprising omission. So your board has 5 drivers and 6 sockets, but no EEPROM. How are settings stored; SD card? ---
**Author:** ![woodwaker\_dave](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/woodwaker_dave/32/13_2.png) [@woodwaker\_dave](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/woodwaker_dave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/13 "2020-10-31T01:22:02Z")
I think this would be a good opportunity for some one to put a kit together. The only thing I found was [Ender 5 Dual Z Axis](https://twosixengineering.com/gtr-shop/ols/products/ender-5-dual-z-axis) they want $100 for a plate only. Some one should be able to put all of the metal parts needed and supply STL files for the printed parts. It can be expensive and tedious to track down all of the parts required. This is one reason that I have never seriously considered converting my 3 Ender 5s, plus I have an Ender 5 Plus which has the dual Z. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/14 "2020-10-31T01:24:39Z")
I saw that site earlier today, and I too thought it was pretty expensive for a single aluminum plate. ---
**Author:** ![woodwaker\_dave](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/woodwaker_dave/32/13_2.png) [@woodwaker\_dave](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/woodwaker_dave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/15 "2020-10-31T01:56:57Z")
I thought it included all of the parts, but sadly it did not ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/16 "2020-10-31T01:58:25Z")
If it did include all the parts it would be a good deal. ---
**Author:** ![woodwaker\_dave](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/woodwaker_dave/32/13_2.png) [@woodwaker\_dave](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/woodwaker_dave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/17 "2020-10-31T13:20:26Z")
I thought for the price it would, but it did not, and they didn’t even offer them at a higher price. I checked their listing again, and they do have the parts needed and links to Amazon for them. After looking at a few it would be at least another $100 for the parts. I don’t think this is worth a $200+ upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/18 "2020-10-31T15:42:51Z")
$200 to get an extra axis does seem like a lot. ---
**Author:** ![woodwaker\_dave](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/forum.makewithtech.com/woodwaker_dave/32/13_2.png) [@woodwaker\_dave](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/woodwaker_dave)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/19 "2020-11-02T03:35:25Z")
This got me started on a quest! I think I have found parts and a design to accomplish this with a dual motor system for around $60. I have two extra motors that I plan on using, so that saves a few dollars. I thought this would be a good opportunity to change the pitch on the z thread and replace it and add a new one with 2mm pitch, 1 start 2mm lead and anti-backlash fittings. Here is the Thingiverse link, [https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3784970 Kris Kersey on the leadscrew change](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3784970)[URL=“[Ender 5 Lead Screw Upgrade: Stop Your Falling Bed! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpXHWJG7aM)”][Ender 5 Lead Screw Upgrade: Stop Your Falling Bed! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpXHWJG7aM) Let me know what you think ---
**Author:** ![Ender5r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ender5r](https://forum.makewithtech.com/u/Ender5r)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715/20 "2020-11-02T03:41:31Z")
I like this one better, because it uses original type parts: [U][https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4079052.[/U]](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4079052.%5B/U%5D) The one major difference I would make would be to put the new Z axis on the outside of the frame, so as not to shorten the Y axis. In fact, the guy who did it has stated he is planning to do just that. [Next page](https://forum.makewithtech.com/t/ender-5-dual-z-axis-stepper-tutorial/2715.md?page=2)